Analects 3.9: 八佾 (Ba Yi)

Confucius and his disciples · Classical Chinese original · new English translation and commentary by Text Atlas

Overview

Book 3 examines what gives ritual its authority and meaning. Household displays borrow the forms of rulers, while humaneness, restraint, grief, and reverence test what those forms can express. Questions about poetry, inherited rites, sacrifice, and music show understanding at work: a learner carries an image further, the Master asks about everything, and a musical whole holds its parts together. Rulers and ministers each receive a standard of conduct. The book ends by distinguishing beauty from goodness and by asking what high office, ritual, and mourning are worth without the qualities they require.

Analects 3.9

3.9

子曰、夏禮吾能言之、杞不足徵也、殷禮吾能言之、宋不足徵也、文獻不足故也、足、則吾能徵之矣。

3.9

The Master said, “I can describe the rites of Xia, but Qi provides too little evidence; I can describe the rites of Yin, but Song provides too little evidence. That is because there are too few records and learned people. Given enough, I could substantiate my account.”

Commentary

philology What would count as evidence? Qi (杞) and Song are the places from which evidence for the Xia and Yin rites is sought. This Qi differs from 齊, also written “Qi” in English, where the Master hears the Shao in 7.13. 文獻 joins transmitted records with people able to bear witness to the rites; Legge likewise distinguishes records and wise people. The Master separates his ability to describe the rites from the support those places can furnish. 故 makes their lack of records and learned people the reason verification falls short.

Basis: translation-comparison

Confidence: medium

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