Analects 3.12: 八佾 (Ba Yi)

Confucius and his disciples · Classical Chinese original · new English translation and commentary by Text Atlas

Overview

Book 3 examines what gives ritual its authority and meaning. Household displays borrow the forms of rulers, while humaneness, restraint, grief, and reverence test what those forms can express. Questions about poetry, inherited rites, sacrifice, and music show understanding at work: a learner carries an image further, the Master asks about everything, and a musical whole holds its parts together. Rulers and ministers each receive a standard of conduct. The book ends by distinguishing beauty from goodness and by asking what high office, ritual, and mourning are worth without the qualities they require.

Analects 3.12

3.12

祭如在、祭神如神在。子曰、吾不與祭、如不祭。

3.12

He sacrificed to the departed as though they were present; he sacrificed to spirits as though the spirits were present. The Master said, “If I do not take part in a sacrifice, it is as though I have not sacrificed.”

Commentary

ritual Presence and participation The first line names neither an agent nor the recipients of its first sacrifice. “He” follows Legge in reading it as the Master’s practice; “the departed” follows his identification of the recipients. The line can also be a general saying to which the Master’s next remark responds. The second sacrifice names spirits explicitly. 如, “as though,” describes how the sacrifice is approached, while 與 makes personal participation matter. These words establish a manner of attending to the rite without settling a separate argument about the spirits’ existence.

Basis: translation-comparison

Confidence: medium

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